Duration: 6 min 16sec

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Women singing a hymn’€¦

KHOPOTSO: Ena ke e nngwe ya dikopano tsa basadi ba SEF e tshwaruwang ha nngwe ka mora beke tse pedi. Mohlang ona e ne e tshwaretswe Ga-Mothodi, motsaneng wa Burgersfort, motsweding wa profense ya Mpumalanga le Limpopo. Ho tloha lemong tse tharo tse fetileng ba bang ba basadi ba metseng e robileng metso e mmedi ya mona ba tsosolloditswe tlasa projeke ya dipatlisiso e sebedisang morero wa ho kadimisana ka tjhelete ho thusa setjhaba. Projeke ena ya dipatlisiso e tsebjwa ka hore ke IMAGE kapa Intervention with Micro-finance for AIDS and Gender Equity. E tshwarisana mmoho le lefapha la bosetjhaba la tsa maphelo, Small Enterprise Foundation kapa SEF, Rural AIDS and Development Action Research ya yunibesithi ya Wits. Ngaka Julia Kim, e mong wa ba simollotseng projeke ena ya IMAGE, o hlalosa hore hobaneng projeke ena e esa tshwana le tse ding.

DR JULIA KIM: You find that a lot of the approaches are very bio-medical. They focus primarily on things like vaccines, medications, or very technical solutions to the problem. But if you speak to people in South Africa and you look at why the HIV epidemic is taking off in the way that it has, it has much more to do with social conditions: poverty for one thing, economic inequalities within the country, gender inequalities.

KHOPOTSO: Tlasa projeke ena basadi ba nkang karolo ba kadinngwa tjhelete e ballwang ho dirantsa tse hlano ho isa ho tse sekete bakeng sa hore ba iqalle kgwebo. Ha ngata e eba la ho qala hore ba iphumanele tjhelete ho thusa ka hare ho malapa a bona. Ophelia Qobongwana, ke mme wa bana ba babedi ba kenang sekolo. Yena o se a ena le dilemo tse tharo a nka karolo projekeng ena. Ho fihlella ho lena le hodimo o se a kadimile tjhelete ha IMAGE ka makgehlo a mane. Ka tjhelete eo o ile a kgona ho reka ditholwana le meroho le diaparo tsa sekene ho etsa kgwebo ya hae.

OPHELIA QOBONGWANA: Haaish’€¦ Ungathi bekufik’€™ ifly-machine lapha kimi ngoba ingithole ngihlupheka’€¦ Bengiphelelwa amavili wamadola ukuklina la etindlini tetintanga tami. Maar kutekufika lomkgatlo we-SEF nga-joyina.

Ngitiva ngiumlungu ngalendlela bengingayo ngoba ngiyathengisa, ngibamba le mali, ngiyalala. Bebathi kunogesi. Ngiyibukele ngingazi ukuthi igesi ngingaba nayo langihlala khona. Kepha ngamandla we-SEF nginegesi ekhaya lami’€¦ Ngemandla e-SEF ngiyadla. Abantwana bami bebabulawa indlala. Bengi hluleka nokubhadala kwa-school fees. Manje lapha esikolweni mabathi school fees, ngithi’€¦ ngineplan mos.                                  

KHOPOTSO: Ophelia o re ha ho na ho tjhetjhela morao. Pele ke moo a lebileng teng. Morero ona o mo boneseditse tsela. Empa ha ho a ka ha qala ho le jwalo. Tshimollohong basadi bana ba tletse tshabo le dihlong hoba ba ne ba qala ho utlwa mantswe a kang kgohlopo, thobalano, ntoto, mpapane le Phamokathe a sebediswa polelong e le nngwe le kadimisano ya tjhelete. Empa ka mora dikgwedi tse leshome le metso e robileng metso mmedi tsa hore projeke ena e ebe teng maikutlo a fetohile. Elsie Mamphoke, o paka hore mokgwa ona wa ho bua ka ho tiia, ho totobatsa le ho sa qeaqee ho mo thusitse ho bua le bana ba hae ka mathata a thobalano le kokwana hloko ya HIV.

ELSIE MAMPHOKE: Ge o ko robala ka re ‘€˜Ei, Katlego, nneletse condom moo’€¦’€™ Ke no e beha ka bomo gore a tla a tsebe gore selo se se a berekiswa’€¦ ‘€˜Ene o mphe tse pedi goba tse tharo.’€™ Ke ra o a tseba gore ba tlo tiana ga ka, ga raro’€¦ Ke gore ke no phazamisa a dule a tsebe gore nthoe e a soma.

KHOPOTSO: Elsie Mamphoke o re sephiri se tswile. Batswadi le bona ba etsa thobalano. O re batho bohle ba lokela ho sirelletseha. Projeke ena e thusa ho ruta ho thibella dintwa tsa ka malapeng, ho fedisa bothata ba ho betwa ha banana le basadi le kgethollo pakeng tsa bong ba botona le bo botsehadi. Ka baka lena basadi ba nkang karolo ba se ba iphumana e le bona ba hlokomedisang baahisane motseng ka mathata ana. Ka thuto ena projeke ya IMAGE e tshepa hore e tla etsa diphethoho tse tla dulang hare ha metse ena ho ya ho ile, haholoholo ho susumelletsa basadi ba mahaeng ho etsa qeto tse baballehileng ka tsa maphelo le mebele ya bona. Empa le ha ho le jwalo ba teng batho ba tshabang hore sena se kgahlano le melao ya thuto ya setso. Lulu Ndlovu, mokwetlisi ka tsa ho thibella kgethello pakeng tsa banna le basadi tlasa Rural AIDS and Development Action Research programme, or re tjhee, ha ho jwalo.

LULU NDLOVU: With the training we’€™re hoping to’€¦ maybe not completely change culture, but adjust certain tunes.

KHOPOTSO: Empa potso e teng. Ebe ha mosadi a kgona ho iketsetsa tjhelete hona ho fetola boitswaro ba hae ho mo thibella kgahlano le tswaetso ya HIV kapa Phamokathe jwana? Zanele Hlatshwayo wa Women’€™s Health Project, o a hlalosa.

ZANELE HLATSHWAYO: Economic independence is very, very powerful. And you find that in our society it’€™s used as a tool to reward or punish people, particularly in a relationship. There are very high levels of poverty in South Africa.

So, those women who are not employed or who are not engaged in income generation projects find it very, very difficult to negotiate for safer sex’€¦ If the partner does not want to use a condom it’€™s very unlikely that the woman will be able to convince him to use a condom. So, in that instance you find women engaging in unprotected sex, just so that they can get financial rewards, either to use the financial reward for the family or themselves in their own right. So, there’€™s a very strong between HIV/AIDS and financial independence.

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